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I have a page with a multi selectlist containing a list of columns in a table. I then have a bunch of buttons and javascript to allow the users to move the columns they want to report on into a second multi select list. Once the values are there they can sort the values up and down to change the display order. Pretty standard stuff.

Here is the problem. I can not figure out how to create an empty multi select list. The one I am using now I created by adding it to the html source for the page but it is a royal pain getting it to line up and look like the other box. The wizard for building select lists forces either an LOV or static values. I tried using an lov wih a sql query that would return no values but that did not work. I get a "page not found error"

I just want to make the htmldb equivilant of this
<select multiple with="100" size="10></select>

has anyone done this?

thanks