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Five Year Plan...
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Jul 14, 2006 7:00 AM
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JHS Team,
I am interested in hearing what your long term plans for JHS are. Are you planning on making this a "true" product instead of a consulting option? Will this product replace something that Oracle already has? Will the licensing ever be such that we could develop applications with it and then sell them to our customers without requiring them to have JHS licenses? Maybe you have already covered this somewhere else?
I'll admit, I'm always searching the open source space. So far, I see nothing that is anywhere close to the generating abilities of JHS. Not even on the .NET front. From my perspective, Oracle still has the #1 persistence (ADF), #1 IDE, and #1 application generator (JHS).
Thanks,
Steve
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Re: Five Year Plan...
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Jul 18, 2006 1:42 AM
in response to: Steve Heidebrink
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Steve,
Thanks for the nice words on JDeveloper, ADF and JHeadstart.
About your 'true" product question. On one hand we very much like it to be part of Oracle JDeveloper and we are discussing this with the JDev team on the other hand much of the power of Oracle JHeadstart comes because we improve JHeadstart on the basis of real projects that Oracle Consulting does. It is very much driven by requirements that customers have in these projects. This bottom-up approach works very well for offerings like JHeadstart and we have to make sure that we do not loose this approach.
Making it a true product has some advantages. One of it is of course that you can go to Oracle Support for help. We try to support you now through this forum and I must say I think we have been able to keep up a good performance. Most of the questions are answered and the requesters seem pretty satisfied.
At this moment we have no plans to change the licensing. As you probably know we already make exceptions for partners that develop standard applications and sell these applications to multiple clients. In this case the end-customer does not need to buy JHeadstart license that is if they do not maintain the application.
You are correct that in a situation that you have a customer that wants you to build an application for them, than the customer should buy licenses for all the developers on that project.
If you have any ideas or concerns on JHeadstart not being a "true" product let us know and we can see how we can improve things.
Regards,
Ton van Kooten
Oracle JHeadstart Team
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Re: Five Year Plan...
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Jul 18, 2006 9:31 AM
in response to: Ton van Kooten
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Ton,
Out of my ignorance, I was unaware that partners (we are a partner) are allowed to develop applications for 3rd parties and not force them to pay for a license as long as we (the license holder) continue to maintain the application. I'll have to go back and re-read the license agreement. I am very glad to hear that.
I continue to push this product to our clients. I have even been giving "live" demonstrations which are always putting the demonstrator at risk but so far JHS has always worked flawlessly. I just want to make sure I continue to understand the direction of JHS so that I can feel comfortable doing so pushing this towards our clients.
I also agree that the support I have received from the forum has been very good.
Thanks.
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Re: Five Year Plan...
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Jul 19, 2006 6:13 AM
in response to: Ton van Kooten
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JHS Team,
The new JDev Developer Guide is based on the SRDemo. The JHeadstart team could generate the SRDemo application with JHeadstart at a Weekend and publish the analysis of the productivity advantages and/or the disadvantages(?) of this approach.
I think it could be important not only from marketing point of view.
As we know, the winning teams by the JavaPolis RAD Race were using JDeveloper
"... and the LogicaCMG team, Pascal Alma and Pascal Prins, went one step further than the Oracle team; not only did they use Oracle ADF, but also Oracle Jheadstart, an application generator developed by Oracle Consulting in the Netherlands and built on Oracle ADF to boost productivity even further..."
Regards
Boris
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