Thread: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update

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user498030

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NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jun 29, 2009 6:18 AM
 
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Hello,

i use the NTLM Authentification from this Page here:
http://jastraub.blogspot.com/2008/03/ntlm-http-authentication-and.html

It works perfectly but after the Security Update KB963027 for IE7 from Microsoft has been installed, only "nobody" and it doesn't work any more.
When i uninstall the KB963027 everything works back fine.

Does someone here use this NTLM Authentication and has the Security Update installed too?

The Problem is that i can't uninstall the Patch on every client because the updates are forced from our Win2k3 Domain Administrators and in our OU we aren't allowed to change anything about this.

I tried to find out which part of the KB963027 let's the problem occur.

1st Try:
- NTLM works
- saved the registry (C:\windows\system32\config)
- installed KB963027
- rebooted computer
- NTLM doesn't work
- restore the registry (but not the dll-files which were changed within the update)
- rebooted computer
- NTLM still doesnt' work!
conclusion: it is not a registry key which occurs the error

2nd Try:
- NTLM works
- saved all DLL's and EXE's which were changed within the update
- installed KB963027
- rebooted computer
- NTLM doesn't work
- restore all DLL's and EXE's from the old situation
- rebooted computer
- NTLM still doesn't work
conslusion: also the change of the dll's und exe's doesn't occur the error

3rd Try:
- NTLM works
- saved the registry (C:\windows\system32\config)
- saved all DLL's and EXE's which were changed within the update
- installed KB963027
- rebooted computer
- NTLM doesn't work
- restore the registry (but not the dll-files which were changed within the update)
- restore all DLL's and EXE's from the old situation
- rebooted computer
- NTLM still doesnt' work!
conslusion: what the ****!? why does it work again when i uninstall it via windows and doesn't work again when i restore registry and the changed files!? that doesn't make any sense.

Help! :-)

user498030

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Re: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jul 9, 2009 2:47 AM   in response to: user498030 in response to: user498030
 
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Anyone?

Does anyone know how to contact Jason Straub?

Edited by: user498030 on 09.07.2009 02:47
jstraub

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Re: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jul 13, 2009 7:43 AM   in response to: user498030 in response to: user498030
 
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user498030:

I believe KB963027 has changed the way the browser reports that the user is prompted for username/password so the following logic no longer works:

if utl_raw.cast_to_binary_integer(utl_raw.substr(l_raw,14,1)) != 130 then

so it always goes to the else logic, which is:

else
l_username := 'nobody';

I will try to take a look and see if I can figure out if there is a way to change the logic but we are heavy in 4.0 development so I cannot dedicate too much time to it.

Regards,

Jason
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Re: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jul 13, 2009 2:03 PM   in response to: jstraub in response to: jstraub
 
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I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to write a workaround for KB963027 and I have not been successfull. I have updated my blog and asked the community for help:

http://jastraub.blogspot.com/2008/03/ntlm-http-authentication-and.html

Regards,

Jason
user498030

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Re: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jul 13, 2009 11:33 PM   in response to: user498030 in response to: user498030
 
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Oh that's bad. I thought you would have an idea to this. :-(
But thank you very much for trying!

Do you know if the MOD_NTLM is also affected or does this method of NTLM authenticataion still work?

Thank you :-)
cc13

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Re: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jul 13, 2009 11:51 PM   in response to: user498030 in response to: user498030
 
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Re: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jul 14, 2009 4:21 AM   in response to: user498030 in response to: user498030
 
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This "hack" works for me too, but it is not possible to change this Registry Key in our whole Win2k3 OU.

So i need another solution. Again, does someone know if MOD_NTLM works with the Security Update or does it use the same method to authenticate?
cc13

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Re: NTLM Authentification: Doesn't work any more after IE7 Security Update
Posted: Jul 14, 2009 4:30 AM   in response to: user498030 in response to: user498030
 
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Hello,

we have roll out an adm group-policy in our ou. that works.
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